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Gold was discussed with a bullish bias, while AI attracted the clearest disagreement over whether its powerful market leadership reflects durable growth or an increasingly fragile trade.

Fed 4.00%CPI 3.35% +0.05 pts AugGold $4,220 +1.5%S&P 500 7,812 +0.6%Copper $6.71 +2.1%closes of Oct 9

The period’s pool was dominated by Bloomberg-hosted coverage, with discussion spanning markets, inflation, energy, AI, IPOs and geopolitics rather than a single gold-and-bitcoin narrative 124. Gold commentary was broadly constructive, linking geopolitical and oil risks, central-bank buying and possible miner-margin support to the metal 181921. AI discussion was more divided: some presented an exceptionally large spending and market opportunity 2025, while others highlighted revenue-reporting confusion, slowing growth and financing risks 1723264346. Bitcoin received no substantive attention in the retrieved evidence, despite being a followed topic, and the Federal Reserve System also had no items in the period.

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What happened

Bloomberg dominated the period’s coverage across markets, AI, energy, IPOs and geopolitics.124

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The Kobeissi Letter argued AI could become a huge US spending category and that AI stocks are carrying the market.2025

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Bob Elliott said lower OpenAI revenue and revised guidance show industry revenue is shifting from parabolic to linear.43

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James Stanley warned AI companies’ debt dependence and higher yields make them vulnerable though higher yields aren’t an immediate death knell.46

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Market breadth was contested: Walter Bloomberg called the AI-led rally narrow and concentrated while Eric Balchunas dismissed breadth concerns.3839

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“Bullish for gold/oil ratio (which is a proxy for gold miner profitability.)”

LG Luke GromenOct 9 Open the source

Where they disagree

AI growth and market durability

AI = huge durable growth2025

1 voice

AI growth slowing to linear43

1 voice

JS

AI vulnerable to funding/yields46

1 voice

The desk

How the desk is calling it

34 of 40 voices lean bullish on gold. Calls settled lately: 1 right. Next to settle: CPI on Oct 14; 19 calls open.

Where they stand · gold

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  • bullish
  • bearish
  • range-bound

COMEX gold futures · Google Finance

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COMEX gold futures, 2026-09-07 to 2026-10-09, where the desk's voices took positions$4,200$4,300$4,400Sep 15Oct 1Luke Gromen · Sep 10 · up — Gromen implies gold rises sharply as the dollar is devalued against it.ʎllǝuuop ʇuǝɹq · Sep 10 · down — Gold doesn't trade great here.Felix Jauvin · Sep 11 · up — Felix is positioned in the debasement trade (gold and metals) and expects it to do well over the next year or so, willing to ride short-term downside.Brent Johnson · Sep 13 · up — Gold is probably going a lot higher, and gold and the dollar can rise together.Luke Gromen · Sep 14 · up — He would rather hold gold as duration than TLT, and sees oil-exporter surpluses returning as a bullish driver for gold.Luke Gromen · Sep 15 · up — Gromen expects capital to flow into gold, with central banks and others piling in, supporting its price.Robin Brooks · Sep 16 · down — Gold is flat to slightly down after the hike and hawkish press conference.jeroen blokland · Sep 17 · up — Blokland sees gold as a scarce monetary asset that bonds will not outperform.Jurrien Timmer · Sep 18 · up — Timmer expects gold to rise from its $4k support to $5k or higher in the coming months on global liquidity and rising demand.The Kobeissi Letter · Sep 20 · up — If gold prices catch up with the recent rise in ETF holdings, they could surge above $5,000 in the coming months.Josef Schachter · Sep 23 · up — Suggests holding gold, precious metals and uranium in the portfolio.Luke Gromen · Sep 23 · up — Gromen expects gold to surge sharply ("moon") as part of his proposed policy sequence.Hugh Agro · Sep 24 · up — Agro calls it an exciting time to be in the gold business with a receptive market for exploration.James Stanley · Sep 25 · down — Gold is being faded on bounces and looks set for a deeper low, with an open door to a 4100 test.Peter Schiff · Sep 25 · up — Schiff says rising yields and inflation are bullish for gold, and gold prices will accelerate higher.Robin Brooks · Sep 25 · up — Brooks expects gold to do well in the coming months as positive catalysts stack up.Robin Brooks · Sep 26 · up — Brooks expects gold to rally as the debasement trade takes off again.Brent Johnson · Sep 27 · up — He would not be surprised by a short-term jump in gold, though he doubts a return to February levels soon.Doomberg · Sep 27 · up — Doomberg says gold is the best hedge against dollar debasement and its nominal price goes up.Chris Vermeulen · Sep 28 · down — Gold is in a topping phase that will fizzle and sell off, with downside to about $3,100 an ounce.Elizabeth Thomas · Sep 28 · up — She initiated a gold position and sees more upside as fear and instability drive buying, though not from central banks.Fiona Cincotta · Sep 28 · down — Gold has broken key moving averages and could fall further until the Fed closes the door on hikes and the dollar and oil weaken.Gary Bohm · Sep 28 · up — Gold may look weak today, but it will be supported once officials keep printing money rather than let the bond market break.Guy Adami · Sep 28 · up — He keeps his bullish gold view intact, expecting more countries to repatriate gold.Jeffrey Christian · Sep 29 · up — Christian remains bullish on gold: the drivers pushing rates higher are far more positive for gold than higher rates are negative.Lawrence Lepard · Sep 29 · up — Lepard expects gold to keep rising, heading over $5,000 and probably $6,000-$7,000 within 18 months.Steve H. Hanke · Sep 29 · up — Hanke says gold's secular bull market is intact and it will keep going up, topping out around $6,000.Daniel Lacalle · Sep 30 · up — Lacalle prefers gold over bonds, implying he expects gold to do better.Laks Ganapathi · Sep 30 · up — Ganapathi favors gold and gold proxies as the consistent, proven asset.David Rosenberg · Oct 1 · up — Rosenberg calls the gold pullback a corrective phase within an intact secular bull market driven by central bank reserve diversification.Craig Shapiro · Oct 2 · up — Expects a great opportunity to add to gold in coming weeks and months, holding it for eventual money printing.Guy Adami · Oct 2 · up — Expects gold to flourish materially if the bond market continues to erode and yields stay high.Paul Cronin · Oct 2 · up — Expects gold to keep rising, perform very well before year end and have a long way to run.Ted Oakley · Oct 2 · up — Looking out a year or two, gold is okay; he'd buy here or on a dip below $4,000, with rates not staying high forever and countries still buying.James Stanley · Oct 3 · up — Remains long-term bullish on gold, expecting it to keep going up as government spending balloons.Henrik Zeberg · Oct 4 · up — Expects gold to go a lot higher, seeing 27,000-29,000 by 2030 as not controversial.jeroen blokland · Oct 5 · up — Expects gold to keep rising as central banks diversify into it and investors wake up to its portfolio-protection role.John Black · Oct 5 · up — Expects a very robust gold market alongside copper.Mark Skousen · Oct 5 · down — Relatively bearish on gold, saying it is in a kind of bear market and will not hit $6,000.Gareth Soloway · Oct 6 · up — Expects gold to reach 13,000 by 2029-2031, and calls 3,500 a steal.Todd Horwitz · Oct 6 · up — Expects gold to move higher again after its bear market, and has been buying it.Brad Langille · Oct 7 · up — Expects a strong bull market in the metal price, with the best setup he has seen in his career.Clem Chambers · Oct 7 · up — Keeps calling for gold at 3,500 and expects another run after a rest of a year or two.Joaquin Marias · Oct 7 · up — Expects gold grades to rise with copper at depth and the gold-copper system to keep going below Carmen and other targets.Michael Boutros · Oct 7 · down — Expects gold to stay weighted to the downside, with a weekly close below 4103 opening a retest of the yearly lows.Adrian Day · Oct 8 · steady — Expects gold to stay in a soft, volatile trading range and not break out to $5,000 while interest rates keep backing up.Brent Johnson · Oct 8 · up — Expects gold to make a fairly big move higher in the next few weeks, though he would buy a lower low if wrong.jim iuorio · Oct 8 · up — Expects gold and silver to be the place to be if the Fed starts buying long-end bonds and the debasement trade returns.Luke Gromen · Oct 8 · up — Expects gold to be the beneficiary of the US debt and fiscal situation, and thinks selling gold on rising US rates is a mistake.Gary Wagner · Oct 9 · up — Expects gold to bottom here and rally to a possible new high by Q1/Q2 of next year, over the next six to eight months.Matt Simpson · Oct 9 · up — Expects gold to hold above the 4,000 level and sees upside potential over the near term, though not a new record high soon.
COMEX gold futures, 2026-09-12 to 2026-10-09, where the desk's voices took positions$4,200$4,300$4,400Sep 15Oct 1Luke Gromen · Sep 14 · up — He would rather hold gold as duration than TLT, and sees oil-exporter surpluses returning as a bullish driver for gold.Luke Gromen · Sep 15 · up — Gromen expects capital to flow into gold, with central banks and others piling in, supporting its price.Robin Brooks · Sep 16 · down — Gold is flat to slightly down after the hike and hawkish press conference.jeroen blokland · Sep 17 · up — Blokland sees gold as a scarce monetary asset that bonds will not outperform.Jurrien Timmer · Sep 18 · up — Timmer expects gold to rise from its $4k support to $5k or higher in the coming months on global liquidity and rising demand.The Kobeissi Letter · Sep 20 · up — If gold prices catch up with the recent rise in ETF holdings, they could surge above $5,000 in the coming months.Josef Schachter · Sep 23 · up — Suggests holding gold, precious metals and uranium in the portfolio.Luke Gromen · Sep 23 · up — Gromen expects gold to surge sharply ("moon") as part of his proposed policy sequence.Hugh Agro · Sep 24 · up — Agro calls it an exciting time to be in the gold business with a receptive market for exploration.James Stanley · Sep 25 · down — Gold is being faded on bounces and looks set for a deeper low, with an open door to a 4100 test.Peter Schiff · Sep 25 · up — Schiff says rising yields and inflation are bullish for gold, and gold prices will accelerate higher.Robin Brooks · Sep 25 · up — Brooks expects gold to do well in the coming months as positive catalysts stack up.Robin Brooks · Sep 26 · up — Brooks expects gold to rally as the debasement trade takes off again.Brent Johnson · Sep 27 · up — He would not be surprised by a short-term jump in gold, though he doubts a return to February levels soon.Doomberg · Sep 27 · up — Doomberg says gold is the best hedge against dollar debasement and its nominal price goes up.Chris Vermeulen · Sep 28 · down — Gold is in a topping phase that will fizzle and sell off, with downside to about $3,100 an ounce.Elizabeth Thomas · Sep 28 · up — She initiated a gold position and sees more upside as fear and instability drive buying, though not from central banks.Fiona Cincotta · Sep 28 · down — Gold has broken key moving averages and could fall further until the Fed closes the door on hikes and the dollar and oil weaken.Gary Bohm · Sep 28 · up — Gold may look weak today, but it will be supported once officials keep printing money rather than let the bond market break.Guy Adami · Sep 28 · up — He keeps his bullish gold view intact, expecting more countries to repatriate gold.Jeffrey Christian · Sep 29 · up — Christian remains bullish on gold: the drivers pushing rates higher are far more positive for gold than higher rates are negative.Lawrence Lepard · Sep 29 · up — Lepard expects gold to keep rising, heading over $5,000 and probably $6,000-$7,000 within 18 months.Steve H. Hanke · Sep 29 · up — Hanke says gold's secular bull market is intact and it will keep going up, topping out around $6,000.Daniel Lacalle · Sep 30 · up — Lacalle prefers gold over bonds, implying he expects gold to do better.Laks Ganapathi · Sep 30 · up — Ganapathi favors gold and gold proxies as the consistent, proven asset.David Rosenberg · Oct 1 · up — Rosenberg calls the gold pullback a corrective phase within an intact secular bull market driven by central bank reserve diversification.Craig Shapiro · Oct 2 · up — Expects a great opportunity to add to gold in coming weeks and months, holding it for eventual money printing.Guy Adami · Oct 2 · up — Expects gold to flourish materially if the bond market continues to erode and yields stay high.Paul Cronin · Oct 2 · up — Expects gold to keep rising, perform very well before year end and have a long way to run.Ted Oakley · Oct 2 · up — Looking out a year or two, gold is okay; he'd buy here or on a dip below $4,000, with rates not staying high forever and countries still buying.James Stanley · Oct 3 · up — Remains long-term bullish on gold, expecting it to keep going up as government spending balloons.Henrik Zeberg · Oct 4 · up — Expects gold to go a lot higher, seeing 27,000-29,000 by 2030 as not controversial.jeroen blokland · Oct 5 · up — Expects gold to keep rising as central banks diversify into it and investors wake up to its portfolio-protection role.John Black · Oct 5 · up — Expects a very robust gold market alongside copper.Mark Skousen · Oct 5 · down — Relatively bearish on gold, saying it is in a kind of bear market and will not hit $6,000.Gareth Soloway · Oct 6 · up — Expects gold to reach 13,000 by 2029-2031, and calls 3,500 a steal.Todd Horwitz · Oct 6 · up — Expects gold to move higher again after its bear market, and has been buying it.Brad Langille · Oct 7 · up — Expects a strong bull market in the metal price, with the best setup he has seen in his career.Clem Chambers · Oct 7 · up — Keeps calling for gold at 3,500 and expects another run after a rest of a year or two.Joaquin Marias · Oct 7 · up — Expects gold grades to rise with copper at depth and the gold-copper system to keep going below Carmen and other targets.Michael Boutros · Oct 7 · down — Expects gold to stay weighted to the downside, with a weekly close below 4103 opening a retest of the yearly lows.Adrian Day · Oct 8 · steady — Expects gold to stay in a soft, volatile trading range and not break out to $5,000 while interest rates keep backing up.Brent Johnson · Oct 8 · up — Expects gold to make a fairly big move higher in the next few weeks, though he would buy a lower low if wrong.jim iuorio · Oct 8 · up — Expects gold and silver to be the place to be if the Fed starts buying long-end bonds and the debasement trade returns.Luke Gromen · Oct 8 · up — Expects gold to be the beneficiary of the US debt and fiscal situation, and thinks selling gold on rising US rates is a mistake.Gary Wagner · Oct 9 · up — Expects gold to bottom here and rally to a possible new high by Q1/Q2 of next year, over the next six to eight months.Matt Simpson · Oct 9 · up — Expects gold to hold above the 4,000 level and sees upside potential over the near term, though not a new record high soon.
COMEX gold futures, 2026-07-13 to 2026-10-09, with 40 desk voices' positions$4,000$4,250$4,500$4,750Aug 1Sep 1Oct 1Luke Gromen · Sep 10 · up — Gromen implies gold rises sharply as the dollar is devalued against it.ʎllǝuuop ʇuǝɹq · Sep 10 · down — Gold doesn't trade great here.Felix Jauvin · Sep 11 · up — Felix is positioned in the debasement trade (gold and metals) and expects it to do well over the next year or so, willing to ride short-term downside.Brent Johnson · Sep 13 · up — Gold is probably going a lot higher, and gold and the dollar can rise together.Luke Gromen · Sep 14 · up — He would rather hold gold as duration than TLT, and sees oil-exporter surpluses returning as a bullish driver for gold.Luke Gromen · Sep 15 · up — Gromen expects capital to flow into gold, with central banks and others piling in, supporting its price.Robin Brooks · Sep 16 · down — Gold is flat to slightly down after the hike and hawkish press conference.jeroen blokland · Sep 17 · up — Blokland sees gold as a scarce monetary asset that bonds will not outperform.Jurrien Timmer · Sep 18 · up — Timmer expects gold to rise from its $4k support to $5k or higher in the coming months on global liquidity and rising demand.The Kobeissi Letter · Sep 20 · up — If gold prices catch up with the recent rise in ETF holdings, they could surge above $5,000 in the coming months.Josef Schachter · Sep 23 · up — Suggests holding gold, precious metals and uranium in the portfolio.Luke Gromen · Sep 23 · up — Gromen expects gold to surge sharply ("moon") as part of his proposed policy sequence.Hugh Agro · Sep 24 · up — Agro calls it an exciting time to be in the gold business with a receptive market for exploration.James Stanley · Sep 25 · down — Gold is being faded on bounces and looks set for a deeper low, with an open door to a 4100 test.Peter Schiff · Sep 25 · up — Schiff says rising yields and inflation are bullish for gold, and gold prices will accelerate higher.Robin Brooks · Sep 25 · up — Brooks expects gold to do well in the coming months as positive catalysts stack up.Robin Brooks · Sep 26 · up — Brooks expects gold to rally as the debasement trade takes off again.Brent Johnson · Sep 27 · up — He would not be surprised by a short-term jump in gold, though he doubts a return to February levels soon.Doomberg · Sep 27 · up — Doomberg says gold is the best hedge against dollar debasement and its nominal price goes up.Chris Vermeulen · Sep 28 · down — Gold is in a topping phase that will fizzle and sell off, with downside to about $3,100 an ounce.Elizabeth Thomas · Sep 28 · up — She initiated a gold position and sees more upside as fear and instability drive buying, though not from central banks.Fiona Cincotta · Sep 28 · down — Gold has broken key moving averages and could fall further until the Fed closes the door on hikes and the dollar and oil weaken.Gary Bohm · Sep 28 · up — Gold may look weak today, but it will be supported once officials keep printing money rather than let the bond market break.Guy Adami · Sep 28 · up — He keeps his bullish gold view intact, expecting more countries to repatriate gold.Jeffrey Christian · Sep 29 · up — Christian remains bullish on gold: the drivers pushing rates higher are far more positive for gold than higher rates are negative.Lawrence Lepard · Sep 29 · up — Lepard expects gold to keep rising, heading over $5,000 and probably $6,000-$7,000 within 18 months.Steve H. Hanke · Sep 29 · up — Hanke says gold's secular bull market is intact and it will keep going up, topping out around $6,000.Daniel Lacalle · Sep 30 · up — Lacalle prefers gold over bonds, implying he expects gold to do better.Laks Ganapathi · Sep 30 · up — Ganapathi favors gold and gold proxies as the consistent, proven asset.David Rosenberg · Oct 1 · up — Rosenberg calls the gold pullback a corrective phase within an intact secular bull market driven by central bank reserve diversification.Craig Shapiro · Oct 2 · up — Expects a great opportunity to add to gold in coming weeks and months, holding it for eventual money printing.Guy Adami · Oct 2 · up — Expects gold to flourish materially if the bond market continues to erode and yields stay high.Paul Cronin · Oct 2 · up — Expects gold to keep rising, perform very well before year end and have a long way to run.Ted Oakley · Oct 2 · up — Looking out a year or two, gold is okay; he'd buy here or on a dip below $4,000, with rates not staying high forever and countries still buying.James Stanley · Oct 3 · up — Remains long-term bullish on gold, expecting it to keep going up as government spending balloons.Henrik Zeberg · Oct 4 · up — Expects gold to go a lot higher, seeing 27,000-29,000 by 2030 as not controversial.jeroen blokland · Oct 5 · up — Expects gold to keep rising as central banks diversify into it and investors wake up to its portfolio-protection role.John Black · Oct 5 · up — Expects a very robust gold market alongside copper.Mark Skousen · Oct 5 · down — Relatively bearish on gold, saying it is in a kind of bear market and will not hit $6,000.Gareth Soloway · Oct 6 · up — Expects gold to reach 13,000 by 2029-2031, and calls 3,500 a steal.Todd Horwitz · Oct 6 · up — Expects gold to move higher again after its bear market, and has been buying it.Brad Langille · Oct 7 · up — Expects a strong bull market in the metal price, with the best setup he has seen in his career.Clem Chambers · Oct 7 · up — Keeps calling for gold at 3,500 and expects another run after a rest of a year or two.Joaquin Marias · Oct 7 · up — Expects gold grades to rise with copper at depth and the gold-copper system to keep going below Carmen and other targets.Michael Boutros · Oct 7 · down — Expects gold to stay weighted to the downside, with a weekly close below 4103 opening a retest of the yearly lows.Adrian Day · Oct 8 · steady — Expects gold to stay in a soft, volatile trading range and not break out to $5,000 while interest rates keep backing up.Brent Johnson · Oct 8 · up — Expects gold to make a fairly big move higher in the next few weeks, though he would buy a lower low if wrong.jim iuorio · Oct 8 · up — Expects gold and silver to be the place to be if the Fed starts buying long-end bonds and the debasement trade returns.Luke Gromen · Oct 8 · up — Expects gold to be the beneficiary of the US debt and fiscal situation, and thinks selling gold on rising US rates is a mistake.Gary Wagner · Oct 9 · up — Expects gold to bottom here and rally to a possible new high by Q1/Q2 of next year, over the next six to eight months.Matt Simpson · Oct 9 · up — Expects gold to hold above the 4,000 level and sees upside potential over the near term, though not a new record high soon.

COMEX gold futures rose from $4,006 to $4,220 since Jul 13. The desk's voices, as each stands now: 34 bullish, 5 bearish, 1 range-bound.

Their record ✓ 1✗ 0

✓Bitcoin ≥ $85,000: James Stanley. Called it on Oct 2. Bitcoin $85,489 on Oct 2.
○AI companies to generate ~$3.5 trillion in annual revenue by 2032: The Kobeissi Letter.
○Bitcoin to drop almost 50% if S&P 500 drops 10-20%: Mike McGlone.
○OpenAI+Anthropic together to reach $1trn in ARR by 2045: Bob Elliott.

What settles next

Near the mark

○ Open · by Dec 31

Gareth Soloway: “S&P 500 to 8,000 by year end”

S&P 500 with Gareth Soloway's target ≥ 8,0007,2507,5007,7508,000Aug 1Sep 1Oct 1target ≥ 8,000Gareth Soloway · Oct 6 · up — Expects the S&P 500 to reach 8,000 by year end, staying bullish above 7,575.
They said
Oct 6: Expects the S&P 500 to reach 8,000 by year end, staying bullish above 7,575.
Distance
7,812 now, +2.4% to go by Dec 31.
source ↗
○ Open · no deadline

Fiona Cincotta: “S&P 500 to reach the 8,000 psychological level”

S&P 500 with Fiona Cincotta's target ≥ 8,0007,2507,5007,7508,000Aug 1Sep 1Oct 1target ≥ 8,000Fiona Cincotta · Oct 7 · up — Expects the S&P 500 to break above 7,840 and target 7,900 and 8,000.
They said
Oct 7: Expects the S&P 500 to break above 7,840 and target 7,900 and 8,000.
Distance
7,812 now, +2.4% to go.
source ↗
14 OctCPI · Wed
No dated calls yet.Settles on the Consumer Price Index print, 08:30 ET (FRED CPIAUCSL, CPILFESL).
28 OctFOMC · Wed
Hike on Oct 28? 1 say yes, 1 say no.
Keith McCulloughRobin Brooks
Settles from the target range after the 14:00 ET decision.
31 DecFed · Thu
Paul Cronin: “no Fed rate hike this year” (Oct 2). Fed is at 4.00%.Settles on the close of Dec 31 (FRED DFEDTARU).
31 DecFed · Thu
Hike by Dec 31? 4 say yes, 0 say no.
Natalie Scott-GrayTodd HorwitzAdrian DayGary Wagner
Settles on the close of Dec 31 (FRED DFEDTARU).
1 AprS&P 500 · Thu 2027
David Hunter: “S&P 500 to 10,000 within three to six months” (Oct 1). S&P 500 is at 7,812, +28.0% to go.Settles on the close of Apr 1 (S&P 500).
6 OctBitcoin · Wed 2027
Gareth Soloway: “Bitcoin to 100,000 within a year” (Oct 6). Bitcoin is at $82,364, +21.4% to go.Settles on the close of Oct 6 (Bitcoin).
29 MarGold · Wed 2028
Lawrence Lepard: “Gold over $5,000 within 18 months” (Sep 29). Gold is at $4,220, +18.5% to go.Settles on the close of Mar 29 (COMEX gold futures).
2 AprFed · Sun 2028
Dario Perkins: “Fed hikes too much within 18 months” (Oct 2). Fed is at 4.00%.Settles on the close of Apr 2 (FRED DFEDTARU).

The voices

Bloomberg

Bloomberg-hosted coverage dominated the pool, spanning markets, inflation, energy, AI, IPOs and geopolitics rather than a single gold-and-bitcoin narrative.124

The Kobeissi Letter

AI will become one of the largest US spending categories by 2032 and AI stocks are driving the entire market.2025

Bob Elliott

News of lower OpenAI revenue and leaked guidance suggest AI industry revenue growth is transitioning from parabolic to linear.43

JS

James Stanley

AI companies’ dependence on debt and funding markets makes them vulnerable to rising yields, which will take time to exert pressure.46

✓ Bitcoin

Walter Bloomberg

The AI rally has been narrow and concentrated, with record underperformance by the equal-weight S&P 500 highlighting concentration risks.38

Eric Balchunas

The market’s lack of breadth is not worrisome because dominant tech companies have effectively broadened by acquiring hundreds of businesses.39

CB

Chris Berry

The structural copper-deficit thesis remains central and supply constraints may be underestimated amid the AI and data-center buildout.51

WT

Will Thompson

Copper is not insulated from an AI downturn and could be hit alongside lithium and other data-center related materials if AI weakens.51

2 of this desk's 8 voices spoke · Quiet: Adam Taggart, Brent Johnson, GoldRepublic Global, Jack Farley, Jordi Visser, Max Wiethe

More from the desk

Gold and macro hedgingLuke Gromen argued that Russian purchases of currency and gold, alongside reported Russian diesel buying, were bullish for the gold/oil ratio and therefore potentially gold-miner profitability. The Kobeissi Letter highlighted China’s reported 23-tonne September purchase and its 23rd consecutive monthly purchase as evidence of aggressive dip-buying.

Luke Gromen argued that Russian purchases of currency and gold, alongside reported Russian diesel buying, were bullish for the gold/oil ratio and therefore potentially gold-miner profitability 18. The Kobeissi Letter highlighted China’s reported 23-tonne September purchase and its 23rd consecutive monthly purchase as evidence of aggressive dip-buying 21.

AI leadership versus fragilityThe Kobeissi Letter claimed AI services could become 8.8% of US GDP by 2032 and that AI-related stocks were driving the wider market. Bloomberg highlighted that OpenAI and Anthropic use different methods to calculate a closely watched revenue measure, while Bob Elliott interpreted lower OpenAI revenue and revised guidance as evidence of a shift from parabolic to linear industry growth. James Stanley remained constructive on stocks and argued higher yields were not automatically a death knell, but identified debt-market pressure on AI companies as a risk.

The Kobeissi Letter claimed AI services could become 8.8% of US GDP by 2032 and that AI-related stocks were driving the wider market 2025. Bloomberg highlighted that OpenAI and Anthropic use different methods to calculate a closely watched revenue measure 17, while Bob Elliott interpreted lower OpenAI revenue and revised guidance as evidence of a shift from parabolic to linear industry growth 43. James Stanley remained constructive on stocks and argued higher yields were not automatically a death knell, but identified debt-market pressure on AI companies as a risk 46.

Energy, commodities and supply constraintsSpeakers on Clear Commodity Network described winter European gas risks as worsening while the Strait of Hormuz blockade persists, and said India’s weak hydropower and low coal inventories were tightening the coal market. The same discussion linked AI and data-center expansion to energy, materials, copper and water demand, while a separate episode argued copper could fall if the AI trade weakened because its demand outlook is tied to data centers and electrification.

Speakers on Clear Commodity Network described winter European gas risks as worsening while the Strait of Hormuz blockade persists, and said India’s weak hydropower and low coal inventories were tightening the coal market 15. The same discussion linked AI and data-center expansion to energy, materials, copper and water demand, while a separate episode argued copper could fall if the AI trade weakened because its demand outlook is tied to data centers and electrification 4151.

Inflation, currencies and market breadthBloomberg-linked coverage reported weaker US consumer sentiment as inflation weighed on households, while another account reported higher one- and five-year inflation expectations. Bloomberg also described a dollar rally driven by high oil prices, pressure on energy-importing currencies and persistent global inflation fears. Market commentary stressed that the S&P 500’s advance was narrowly led by AI and technology, although Eric Balchunas argued limited breadth was not necessarily alarming because dominant companies represent much broader acquired businesses.

Bloomberg-linked coverage reported weaker US consumer sentiment as inflation weighed on households 30, while another account reported higher one- and five-year inflation expectations 35. Bloomberg also described a dollar rally driven by high oil prices, pressure on energy-importing currencies and persistent global inflation fears 42. Market commentary stressed that the S&P 500’s advance was narrowly led by AI and technology, although Eric Balchunas argued limited breadth was not necessarily alarming because dominant companies represent much broader acquired businesses 253839.

Listings, finance and policyBloomberg reported that Firmus moved from an AI data-center success story to a major deal failure and that another IPO’s timing would depend on turnaround progress and market conditions. Other coverage discussed a potential $500 million DayOne Data Centers bond offering, UK efforts to improve financial-services competitiveness and loosen employee-mobility restrictions, and India’s central-bank measures to supply dollars to state-run oil companies and support the rupee.

Bloomberg reported that Firmus moved from an AI data-center success story to a major deal failure and that another IPO’s timing would depend on turnaround progress and market conditions 2313. Other coverage discussed a potential $500 million DayOne Data Centers bond offering 48, UK efforts to improve financial-services competitiveness and loosen employee-mobility restrictions 127, and India’s central-bank measures to supply dollars to state-run oil companies and support the rupee 7.

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